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nobetthisroll
I'm sure it's been discussed before but I'm always curious to know, so let's refresh the memory.
I have a few press systems, depending on how hot/cold the table is. Anybody do anything similar, or have any critiques/advice?
Assuming this is a $10 game... anything in parentheses is a RUNNING TOTAL of what you've gotten back in profit, NOT including the action still on the table.
A. Press 2x, then collect
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. PRESS $12 to $30 - Drop $4 (-$16)
2. PRESS $30 to $66 - Drop $1 (-$17)
3. COLLECT - (+$60)
4. PRESS $66 to $150 - Drop $7 (+$53)
5. PRESS $150 to $330 - Drop $5 (+$48)
6. COLLECT - (+$433)
7. PRESS $330 to $720 - Drop $5 (+$428)
8. PRESS $720 to $1560) - No change (+$428)
9. COLLECT - (+$1820) - ($2248)
...and you get the idea.
B. Collect 1x, then press
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. COLLECT (+$2)
2. PRESS $12 to $24 (+$4)
3. COLLECT (+$32)
4. PRESS $24 to $48 (+$36)
5. COLLECT (+$92)
6. PRESS $48 to $90 (+$106)
7. COLLECT (+$211)
8. PRESS $90 to $180 - (+$226)
9. COLLECT (+$436)
10. PRESS $180 to $360 (+$466)
11. COLLECT (+886)
...and you get the idea.
Now for me, if a table is cold and no one's hitting anything very often, I give in and bet a negative progression style. I know it's betting scared.. but if it's not working, it's not working.
$12 6 or 8 (-$12)
1. PRESS $12 to $24 - (-$10)
2. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$12)
3. $30 to $12 - (+$65)
4. PRESS $12 to $24 - (+$67)
5. PRESS $24 to $30 - (+$89)
6. $30 to $12 - (+$142)
Now obviously if you took the time to actually read all of that, I vary the increments of the press (sometimes it's full press, sometimes it's 2 units, sometimes it's 1 unit, sometimes it's a random amount of units)... so I'm a little inconsistent.
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Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)
I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.
hwccdealer
I get a lot of players who will either take $12 to $24 the first time or take $18 to $30 in the same situation. In my experience, it's a great way to make a lot of money and it's a great way to get killed.
A usual strategy I see for a $10 table is this:
-Place 6/8 for $12
-Full press to $24 the first time it hits (-10)
-Press to $30 the next time (+20)
-Collect 1-2 times (+90, let's say)
-Press to $42 (+113)
-Collect 1-2 times (+211 if twice)
-Press to $60 (+242)
-Collect 1-2 times (+382)
-Press to $90 (+427)
Etc, etc. Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.
tilt247

Bet 6 or 8 for $30 the ask the dealer to double it (Not Parley) after 6 times you will have $1215 in your rack and 990 on the 6 or 8.
You can also just take it down after 5 and cashout the $1085 :)
I'm sure the odds of rolling 5 x 6/8 is pretty good for turning your $30 into over 1k.


There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this 'streak' by luck.
Wait, it's a long term advantage?
tilt247
Naturally, this would need to be on a blazing-hot roll, one I would see maybe once a shift on average, since, as I said, it's a great way to get killed if the dice are cold or even average.
Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.
bushman
Me, at a $5 table, and if I am playing $5 PL and 3/4/5 odds. I will place the 6 and 8 for $12 each. Here is how I try to work it:
1st hit = same bet
2nd hit = same bet
3rd hit = press to $18
4th hit = press to $24
5th hit = press to $30
6th hit = same bet
7th hit = full press to $60
probably press by one unit (in my case $6) on subsequent hits. I have yet to get to hitting that same bet at the 6th level, but, one day (wishful thinking.) I know mine is a bit more conservative, but I like getting those bets (both of them) paid for before going up levels. If my six hits twice before an eight hits, they have both been paid for, should a 7-out come. I know, they're individual bets, but it works for my mind set.
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hwccdealer

Dice don't get hot or cold my friend. Luck is luck and math is math.


I know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.
According to the Wizard, the average person rolls 8.5 times before sevening out. If a shift lasts 480 minutes (and I get people who will be on my table from start to finish,) and we go a little faster than one roll per minute, we get 60 shooters, on average, per 8-hour shift.
According to the Wizard's page on the probability of survival, that special one-in-60 roll value is worth about 29 rolls before hitting the seven out on roll 30. Averaging 1.5 comeout rolls and 9 rolls to hit the point, we figure that our hero hits 2 points and sevens out on the attempt to hit the third point.
Let's assume that the player places a $12 eight as his only place bet and moves it to a six if the point becomes eight. Assuming no seven outs until roll 30, the place bet is off if there's no point, and that four throws are on the comeout, and there are two front line winners and one seven out, we have 22 rolls in which to increase or decrease this place bet.
The eight has a probability of 5/36 of hitting. (Yes, it goes to 5/30 if we know there's no sevens, but our player does not know this, of course.) So over 36 throws, it hits five times, so we're likely to see it hit three times in this streak.
Of course, if a player knows it's going to hit exactly three times before the seven out, he will wisely bet table max and then take it down after three rolls, collecting $8,400 at my table where table max is $2,000 but goes to $2,400 on six and eight. But let's say he's starting at table minimum of $12.
The strategy I referred to above - full press the first time, take it to $30, and wait it out a couple of rolls, would earn $47 before the seven out - player is in for $12 at first, full-presses to $24 to be down $10, then goes to $30 and pockets $22 to be up $12. The third hit would earn the other $35, assuming no pressure.
By contrast, hitting three times for $14 apiece earns $42, minus the initial investment, equals $30.
So by playing aggressively, a player earns more on the once-a-shift roll, but if it hits only twice? The conservative player earns $4 more than the aggressive player. So playing aggressively counts on that once-a-shift roll, which is a mathematical inevitability, one we would refer to as a hot roll in the colloquial, but for the other 59 rolls? Better to take it easy.
RaleighCraps

I know the math. I also know from dealing that seeing a really favorable stretch over the course of an eight-hour shift is inevitable.


I'm curious as to what type of favorable stretch do you see?
Is it choppy table, and all of a sudden one shooter has a monster roll, or is it more often, a stretch where multiple shooters are managing to make 1 or 2 points, and very few shooters are PSO?

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Second question. When you do see the shooter with the monster roll, what are the next shooters like? It has been my experience most often that the next shooters don't make their points, and the table goes 'cold' again.
The one exception to that was the time I had my 70 minute roll. It came immediately after my buddy's 30 minute roll.
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CrapsGenious

There are still more ways to roll a 7 than any other number.... Each roll is independent of the other. If you get lucky, then it's just that, you hit this 'streak' by luck.


That's all it is, just luck and a little better than luck with skilled shooters. Sometime its best to 'wait' a few rolls before placing the 6/8 because if you get a shooter that rolls outside numbers, it's pointless to chase a sleeper.
i'll never forget that day Rocko (a regular shooter at the casino rolled 3 hard 4's back to back and in his 15+ rolls before 7 had rolled 8 4's. Crazy thing is, it happens all the time. There was another time when another shooter setting dice at right side of stick man rolled 12x 10's in all of 15 numbers rolled many of the 10 came hard. Everyone at the table loaded up on hard 10 and place 10.
Some things that happen at the craps table is just so hard to post because it gets to the point that it becomes unbelievable like another regular rolling 4 11's in a row followed by 2x 3crap, only a couple players noticed to start pressing their horn bets to cash in.
Luck plays a big part in craps. Don't ever forget that part.
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powerpress the 1st hit, then 50% press on all subsequent hits:

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$12, 24,36,54, etc
I prefer to take 50% profits as it hits instead alternating between powerpress and taking all profits.
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Las Vegas craps minimum bets range from $1 to $50. Here is a list of all Las Vegas casinos that spread craps with its minimum bet. These minimum bets were recorded on weekdays. Higher minimum bets may be found during peak hours.

$1 Craps
  • Club Fortune
  • Jokers Wild
$2 Craps
  • Arizona Charlie’s Boulder
  • Jerry’s Nugget
$3 Craps
  • Fiesta Rancho
  • Fremont
  • Sam’s Town
$5 Craps
  • Plaza (Crapsless and traditional game)
  • 4 Queens
  • Aliante Casino
  • Arizona Charlie’s Decatur
  • Bally’s
  • Binion’s
  • Boulder Station
  • California
  • Cannery
  • Downtown Grand
  • El Cortez
  • Ellis Island
  • Fiesta Rancho
  • Gold Coast
  • Golden Nugget
  • Green Valley Ranch
  • M Resort
  • Main Street Station
  • Orleans
  • Palace Station
  • Rampart
  • Santa Fe Station
  • Silver 7’s
  • Silverton
  • South Point
  • Suncoast
  • Texas Station
  • The D
  • Tuscany
  • Westgate
$10 Craps
  • Bellagio
  • Circus Circus
  • Encore
  • Excalibur
  • Hard Rock
  • Harrah’s
  • Red Rock
  • Park MGM Casino
  • Sahara Las Vegas
  • Treasure Island
  • Wynn

Las Vegas Craps Odds

Most craps tables on the Las Vegas Strip offer 3/4/5 times odds. This means that a player can wager three times the flat bet on a 4 and 10, four times on a five and 9, and five times on a six and eight. The maximum win with odds on any of these numbers equals six times the flat bet. A notable exception is The Cromwell, where players may take odds for up to 100 times the original wager.

Downtown Las Vegas and the locals market tend to spread 10 times odds. There are some exceptions. Below is a list of each odds grouping with the amount permitted by each house.

100x Craps Odds
  • The Cromwell
20x Craps Odds
  • Main Street Station
  • Sam’s Town
10x Craps Odds
  • Aliante Casino
  • Arizona Charlie’s Boulder
  • Cannery
  • Boulder Station
  • Eastside Cannery
  • El Cortez
  • Ellis Island
  • Fiesta Henderson
  • Fiesta Rancho
  • Golden Gate
  • Green Valley Ranch
  • Jokers Wild
  • Palace Station
  • Plaza (craps only, not crapsless, which is 2x)
  • Rampart
  • Red Rock
  • Santa Fe Station
  • Silverton
  • Stratosphere (crapsless and traditional)
  • Suncoast
  • Texas Station
  • The D
5x Craps Odds
  • 4 Queens
  • Arizona Charlie’s Decatur
  • Binion’s
  • Downtown Grand
3-4-5x Craps Odds
  • Aria
  • Bally’s
  • Bellagio
  • Caesars Palace
  • Casino Royale
  • Club Fortune
  • Cosmopolitan
  • Encore
  • Excalibur
  • Flamingo
  • Gold Coast
  • Golden Nugget
  • Hard Rock
  • Harrah’s
  • OYO
  • Linq
  • Luxor
  • M Resort
  • Mandalay Bay
  • MGM Grand
  • Mirage
  • Park MGM Casino
  • New York New York
  • Orleans
  • O’Sheas
  • Palms
  • Paris
  • Planet Hollywood
  • Rio
  • Silver 7’s
  • Treasure Island
  • Tropicana
  • Tuscany
  • Venetian
  • Wynn
2x Craps Odds
  • Plaza (Crapsless table)
  • Railroad Pass
  • South Point

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CasinoGameMin BetMax Bet# of TablesOddsField 12Video
PlazaCrapless Craps5100012 xTripleNo
StratosphereCrapless Craps102000110 xDoubleNo
StratosphereCraps102000210 xDoubleNo
4 QueensCraps550025 xDoubleNo
Aliante CasinoCraps51000310 xTripleNo
AriaCraps25500083-4-5 xTripleYes
Arizona Charlie’s BoulderCraps21000110 xTripleNo
Arizona Charlie’s DecaturCraps550015 xTripleNo
Bally’sCraps5300043-4-5 xDoubleYes
Bally’sCraps15500013-4-5 xDoubleNo
BellagioCraps10500013-4-5 xTripleYes
BellagioCraps25500083-4-5 xTripleYes
Binion’sCraps550035 xDoubleNo
Binion’sCraps320012 xDoubleYes
Boulder StationCraps52000310 xDoubleNo
Caesars PalaceCraps25500013-4-5 xTripleNo
Caesars PalaceCraps50500053-4-5 xTripleYes
Caesars PalaceCraps200500013-4-5 xTripleNo
CaliforniaCraps5100042 xTripleNo
CanneryCraps51000210 xTripleNo
Casino RoyaleCraps10100013-4-5 xDoubleNo
Circus CircusCraps10100022 xTripleNo
Club FortuneCraps110013-4-5 xTripleNo
CosmopolitanCraps25500063-4-5 xTripleNo
CosmopolitanCraps15500013-4-5 xTripleYes
CromwellCraps2550004100 xDoubleYes
Downtown GrandCraps5100025 xTripleNo
Eastside CanneryCraps3500110 xTripleNo
El CortezCraps51000210 xTripleNo
Ellis IslandCraps5300110 xDoubleNo
EncoreCraps10500053-4-5 xTripleNo
ExcaliburCraps10300043-4-5 xTripleYes
Fiesta RanchoCraps3500110 xDoubleNo
Fiesta RanchoCraps5500110 xDoubleNo
Fiesta HendersonCraps31000110 xDoubleNo
FlamingoCraps15500013-4-5 xDoubleNo
FlamingoCraps25500043-4-5 xDoubleYes
FlamingoCraps100500013-4-5 xDoubleYes
FremontCraps5100042 xTripleNo
FremontCraps5300012 xTripleNo
Gold CoastCraps5100033-4-5 xTripleNo
Golden GateCraps52500210 xTripleNo
Golden NuggetCraps5500053-4-5 xTripleNo
Golden Nugget (Pool)Craps10500012 xDoubleYes
Green Valley RanchCraps55000410 xDoubleNo
Hard RockCraps10300043-4-5 xDoubleNo
Hard RockCraps15300013-4-5 xDoubleNo
Harrah’sCraps15500033-4-5 xDoubleYes
Harrah’sCraps25500043-4-5 xDoubleNo
OYOCraps10100013-4-5 xDoubleYes
Joker’s WildCraps1500110 xTripleNo
LinqCraps15500063-4-5 xDoubleYes
LuxorCraps15300053-4-5 xTripleNo
M ResortCraps5300035 xDouble/TripleNo
Main Street StationCraps51000320 xTripleNo
Mandalay BayCraps15500073-4-5 xTripleNo
Mandalay BayCraps25500013-4-5 xTripleNo
MGM GrandCraps10500013-4-5 xTripleNo
MGM GrandCraps25500063-4-5 xTripleYes
MGM GrandCraps50500013-4-5 xTripleNo
MirageCraps25500063-4-5 xTripleYes
NYNYCraps15300033-4-5 xTripleNo
NYNYCraps25300013-4-5 xTripleYes
OrleansCraps5200063-4-5 xTripleNo
O’SheasCraps15500013-4-5 xDoubleNo
Palace StationCraps53000310 xDoubleNo
PalazzoCraps25500052 xTripleNo
PalazzoCraps50500032 xTripleNo
PalmsCraps10500033-4-5 xDoubleYes
ParisCraps15500063-4-5 xDoubleYes
Park MGM CasinoCraps10300053-4-5 xTripleNo
Planet HollywoodCraps10500063-4-5 xDoubleYes
PlazaCraps51000210 xTripleNo
Railroad PassCraps350013-4-5 xTripleNo
RampartCraps51000210 xDoubleNo
Red RockCraps105000510 xDoubleNo
RioCraps10500043-4-5 xDoubleYes
Sam’s TownCraps31000420 xTripleNo
Santa Fe StationCraps51000310 xDoubleNo
Silver 7’sCraps550013-4-5 xDoubleNo
SilvertonCraps51000210 xTripleYes
Sahara Las VegasCraps10300033-4-5 xDoubleNo
South PointCraps5200022 xTripleNo
South PointCraps10200022 xTripleNo
South PointCraps15200012 xTripleNo
South PointCraps25200012 xTripleNo
StratosphereCraps51000210 xDoubleNo
SuncoastCraps52000310 xTripleNo
Texas StationCraps51000310 xDoubleNo
The DCraps55000210 xTripleNo
Treasure IslandCraps10200043-4-5 xTripleNo
Treasure IslandCraps110012 xDoubleYes
TropicanaCraps15300023-4-5 xDoubleNo
TuscanyCraps550013-4-5 xDoubleNo
VenetianCraps25500052 xTripleYes
VenetianCraps50500032 xTripleYes
WestgateCraps5200033-4-5 xDoubleNo
WynnCraps10500073-4-5 xTripleNo
WynnCraps25500013-4-5 xTripleNo
WynnCraps1001000013-4-5 xTripleNo